Some people, of course, were offended. If you look over his history of tweets and the stuff he's written for Family Guy, it's a pretty safe bet that people are offended by his stuff all the time. The criticism of this tweet can't just be that it's the "most" offensive thing he's written, because who cares if it's his most offensive work? Think about it: do we make a big deal when anyone does something worse than anything they've ever done before? No. We only care when people do things worse than anyone has done before.
So is this the most offensive joke every told? The most offensive tweet ever tweeted? No. Is it the earliest joke about Japan that got this much attention? Yes. And that reaction—whether you defend it or dismiss† it—is the doing of the people who were offended. Offended by this joke being too early. And probably more specifically, offended that Sulkin said he was willing to laugh in their temple. The temple of feeling bad.
Some of Sulkin's critics have been calm, and tried to analyze humor. Like this thought from The Comedy Bureau:
Lesson: don’t make jokes in the “never too early” spirit of trying to be as controversial as possible just for the sake of being as controversial as possible, thinking the shock itself is what’s funny. Make jokes because the accepted inconsistency or overlooked false assumption is legitimately funny.
Decent advice, but unnecessary if you're OK with offending people. And sure, the shock is part of what's funny, but that's not the only way Sulkin's joke works.
Some responses have been less analytical and have just tried to express judgement. Like this contribution from from Kasey Anderson:
Always good when stuff like this weeds out the assholes of the world.
Using Anderson's comment as a springboard, Danforth France mixes some analysis with some judgement:
It fails as a joke because it doesn’t say anything true. It makes no point. It shines a light on nothing. If it’s meant to be taken humorously, it reveals a basic ignorance of the subject he’s joking about and THAT is offensive all by itself.
France makes some key claims that—for me—explain the difference in our reactions. He doesn't believe Sulkin said anything true. I disagree. I don't want to get too heavy into an analysis of the nature and structure of humor, but I do see that Sulkin's quote makes a statement about national memory, the history of nations, the nature of pity, the sins of the father, and the size of the world. Yes. Seriously. I'm not saying whether or not he thought all that, but at the very least his instinctual comic ear was picking up those tones.
France also wonders if the tweet was "meant to be taken humorously." Really? Does he think it's at all likely that Sulkin was serious? His argument continues with an attempt at statistical proof that the premise of the joke is flawed and he tries to take down Sulkin based on a logical claim about what numbers should make us feel bad for who.
Let's back up and repeat: It's ridiculous to believe that Sulkin is really claiming that this tragedy is payback for Pearl Harbor, or that the number of people killed in the attack 70 years ago is actually a mitigation on the toll of the earthquake. France is putting a lot of energy into making a point that nobody has actually disputed, unless you take the joke as a straightforward claim, meant to be taken seriously.†
He claims not to be interested in a discussion of "offensiveness or sensitivity or free speech or comedy theory," and he says he disregards the humor simply because "it’s a piece of shit joke." That's disingenuous. Is he out there calling out every joke he thinks is poorly written? It's no coincidence that the joke he's judging most harshly is also being called offensive.† And his very next post he claims a position of "Moral rectitude." He clearly believes this is more than just about the quality of a joke. Unless he believes the quality of a joke is a moral issue.†
Nobody has brought up the issue of harm done by Sulkin's joke, because nobody would be stupid enough to claim there is any. This isn't an issue that society is struggling with more urgently than all other evils. There's no current campaign of bigotry directed at the Japanese that this humor is making worse. There's no tinderbox of Japanese relations that inflammatory speech might set ablaze. There's no risk that jokes like this will make people afraid to help. There's really no risk.
Sulkin has made jokes about child abduction, D-Day, AIDS, rape, rape, incest (of the rape kind)… And people have laughed at them like they're meant to. The only stance that can claim this is now a moral issue, or that this simple joke is more contemptible than any other joke Sulkin has made, is one born almost entirely of the audience's demand that he not make light of their current emotional state. That's a fair (if silly) request. But it's no basis for a claim about his character or humor that you were never driven to make before.
Update:
Sulkin has apologized for the tweet and deleted it from his timeline, posting
Yesterday death toll = 200. Today = 10 thousand. I am sorry for my insensitive tweet. It's gone.
†I have done some minor editing of this post to make some claims more precise and specific. The emended passages are marked.
I think it's just because the joke could never be seen as funny that it annoys people.
ReplyDeleteI've never seen so many words wasted on something that's very simple. The guy's a f*ckwit, and he's not alone.
ReplyDelete^ this.
ReplyDelete"The guy's a f*ckwit and he's not alone."
ReplyDeletePlus, it wasn't remotely funny. Plus, what happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Did his lordship forget about those? Wasn't that ten or one hundred times "payback" for Pearl Harbor? He's a complete moron.
it has annoyed people. and angered them. but obviously it can be seen as funny. the proof of that is that… well, a lot of people see it as funny.
ReplyDeleteyou can then get into the argument of whether or not it should be seen as funny. and good luck with that.
Sure. A lot of people have seen it as funny. So what? Does that mean it's okay to put out there at the same time as folks are grieving? I could make a joke on just about anything, and *someone* could find it funny. So what?
ReplyDeletefirst: the fact that people have seen it as funny was a response to earfetish's claim that it "could never be seen as funny." obviously it can be. so it must be something else that's annoying them.
ReplyDeletesecond: does that mean it's ok? that's exactly what it means. you can argue that the people that make rough jokes are immoral, or have bad timing, or are insensitive. make whatever argument you want.
but are you really going to claim that until no one is grieving about something it's not ok to make a joke? go ahead. find me that moment when no one is grieving. some of the best jokes come at the exact moment that people are grieving or afraid.
i'm not telling anyone to laugh, or to feel good about the joke, or to change their emotions. but this is how humor works. people were offended because sulkin made a joke while they felt bad. it didn't hurt anything but their feelings. name some other harm the joke did.
"Some people, of course, were offended."
ReplyDeleteWell, yes, you understand that, so what was really the point of this post? Danforth also said: "I’m not calling for anybody’s head, I’m not shouting, I’m not demanding an apology and I haven’t even worried about whether I’m going to unfollow @thesulk or not." — which is basically the same argument you make about the Sulk's character. Jokes hit or miss. This one missed. Alec apologized and deleted it. Let's move on.
i do move on. but i also respond when the conversation continues.
ReplyDeletemy point was specifically about that point that danforth makes: he's says he's not shouting, and that he's not concerned with offensiveness, but he obviously is focused on the offensiveness of the joke. and instead of shouting, he's calmly claiming that it's immoral.
he's making a claim about alec's morality that he can't back up. unless he believes that any joke that offends anyone is immoral. and that's what i disagree with.
A friend forwarded this post to me, and I could not help but comment.
ReplyDelete"And that reaction—whether you defend it or dismiss† it—is the doing of the people who were offended. Offended by this joke being too early. And probably more specifically, offended that Sulkin said he was willing to laugh in their temple. The temple of feeling bad."
Actually, as a Japanese-American, I'm offended because it's derisive of my own existence. My "temple of feeling bad"? My wife and I have been desperately trying to get in touch with my wife's grandmother for the past five days, but have been unable to reach her. So it goes beyond feeling bad.
And yes, I do believe that Sulkin's joke probably did cause some harm. Feel free to call me stupid. You say a lot of people found that joke funny, which is why it was re-tweeted 100+ times. But I venture to say that some of those re-tweets were done by people who took the tweet at face value, and were passing that along as hate speech. And that is harmful. If you think that there aren't plenty of Americans out there who are bigoted against Asians see: this. I've personally had a good deal of racist remarks said to my face and behind my back. But hey, those folks weren't being racist, they were probably just joking. And I was just being stupid. Now if you excuse me, I have some family to find.
i'm glad you commented. i have no reason to call you stupid. i hope your family is able to make contact. i honestly hope you find good news of the safety of your wife's grandmother.
ReplyDeletei don't think "feeling bad" is a paltry issue. in a fundamental sense, it's the worst thing that can happen to a person. in fact, it might be the only bad thing that can happen to a person. i hope your family gets good news, because i hope you have less reason to feel bad. i say that without any irony at all.
and i'm not going to hold sulkin accountable for the few idiots who retweet his joke because they think it's actually good advice. if i did, i'd also have to hold every comedian accountable for any ignorant audience member that thought a joke was serious. the only criticism i can make is that the comedian didn't say clearly enough "i don't believe this," and that's a stylistic/aesthetic critique. not a moral one.
i know bigotry exists against every group in america. when i wrote that there was no campaign of bigotry against the japanese, i meant that it wasn't an issue so loaded that confusion about this joke was likely to move the issue towards misconceptions about the culture or towards indifference about people because of their race. i take the joke to be satirical about itself when taken at face value. i don't take it as a ridicule of japanese. in fact i don't think it's at all a dismissal of the worth of any person, or a derision or your existence.
i've been ridiculed for my race. i've been pidgeon-holed by some people because of my skin tone and the accents my parents speak with. i've listened to people argue to my face that my parents made america less of a country just by moving here and taking up a college slot and accepting a job.
when they made the statements seriously, i just figured they were ignorant and i eventually realized that i really don't care what ignorant people think.
when they made the statements in a joke, i sometimes laughed, and sometimes wondered if they still believed it. if i knew, or trusted that they didn't believe it, i laughed as much as the joke deserved. sometimes a lot.
pretty sure his joke was a reaction to the whole world's hearts going out to japan at this time.
ReplyDeletewhen he stepped outside of that sentiment for 2 seconds to make a joke about it, all these people pointed at him to say "you're going against what we collectively decided we're all going to go with. boooooo!!!"
if you don't like the joke, don't laugh. this happens with literally every joke. someone is always offended.
personally i would've made some type of comment not about pearl harbor, but about the ocean getting revenge on behalf of all those slain dolphins those creeps had absolutely no regard for.