Monday, October 31, 2011
Wednesday, October 05, 2011
Kyle Kinane Claims He Was Stiffed by Sioux Falls, SD Booker
(UPDATED BELOW)
Kyle Kinane is putting out a public service announcement.
A few follow-up tweets fill in some details of the story:
He confirmed that the fellow he refers to looks like this
He confirmed that Abrahamson is "the same guy that stiffed JD Povorose," (as identified by @kfleminem).
He reported (we can gather) that the amount was $1,183.00 (plus the amount of Kinane's hotel stay).
Abrahamson's side of the story is nowhere to be found. In fact, his online presence is pretty minimal. A Facebook account under his name has been removed (screenshot of the cached page). His MySpace page is available only to friends. The only YouTube videos to show up with his name were posted by "mrstandup1978", who promised "I will be posting my sets as I get them…" but whose account has been deleted.
It's not clear that all those missing links are Abrahamson, but he is looking a lot like a baboon right now.
(UPDATE)
Kinane has posted the following statement on his webpage:
Kyle Kinane is putting out a public service announcement.
A few follow-up tweets fill in some details of the story:
He confirmed that the fellow he refers to looks like this
He confirmed that Abrahamson is "the same guy that stiffed JD Povorose," (as identified by @kfleminem).
He reported (we can gather) that the amount was $1,183.00 (plus the amount of Kinane's hotel stay).
Abrahamson's side of the story is nowhere to be found. In fact, his online presence is pretty minimal. A Facebook account under his name has been removed (screenshot of the cached page). His MySpace page is available only to friends. The only YouTube videos to show up with his name were posted by "mrstandup1978", who promised "I will be posting my sets as I get them…" but whose account has been deleted.
It's not clear that all those missing links are Abrahamson, but he is looking a lot like a baboon right now.
(UPDATE)
Kinane has posted the following statement on his webpage:
IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO TOURING COMICS: Avoid working for Sioux Falls booker Brian Eugene Abrahamson at all costs. He will not pay. He is not a sad-sack down on his luck as he’d like you to believe. From what I’ve discovered after the fact, he books people with the promise of a set amount but has no intention of paying them the agreed flat fee. I was lucky that I wasn’t relying on the promised guaranteed amount for my bills, but others haven’t been so lucky. Brian Eugene Abrahamson needs to be ousted from booking comedy shows and the best way I know how is to take to public forums.
Feel free to repost this in any comic forums you utilize to warn others that you WILL NOT BE PAID if you work for Brian Eugene Abrahamson. Or give me the names of any viable comic forums and I will be happy to contact them myself.
Abrahamson has deactivated his Facebook and Twitter accounts, as he’s done in the past when comics have rallied against him for the same reason. He will terminate any means of communication until the trouble blows over, then resurface to book more comics not aware of his scam. It is my intention to make sure that doesn’t happen again. As I’ve said, put the word out that Brian Eugene Abrahamson doesn’t pay his comics the amount they’ve agreed upon, therefore he has no business working in a promotional capacity. To clarify, he works independently and is not affiliated with any clubs in the area of Sioux Falls. As a matter of fact, he is banned from his hometown club, to the best of my knowledge. So if that says anything…
Thanks for listening. Spread the word if you are a comic and understand that if you manipulate someone and mess with their source of income, it shouldn’t be tolerated.
Kyle Kinane
Tuesday, June 21, 2011
Jim Tavaré, Victim of Identity Theft
UPDATED BELOW
In the 3rd season of Wings† Jim Tavaré played a comedian who steals Helen Chapel's comedy thunder by doing a stand-up act with the same gimmick she is hoping will make her stand out: playing a large stringed instrument.
Now, Tavaré is making sure everyone knows that there's a comic out there, named Sid Bowfin, who's trying to steal more than his thunder: Tavaré believes he's stealing the entire act.
Tavare has been working hard to shine an accusing light on the would-be doppelgänger. He's been on Twitter asking for help from Robin Ince, Bob Saget, Peter Serafinowicz, Bryan Callen, Neal Brennan, Stephen Fry, the people at Punchline Magazine and others.
The similarities pretty feasibly go beyond mere coincidences. Both wear white tie and tails on stage, use a member of the viol family as a prop, sport a slick scalp, have similar websites (Tavaré's page, Bowfin's page), speak with a British accent (that might be coincidence), and even work with some similar extended premises on stage.
Here's a video of Tavaré doing a bit about a malfunctioning mic and keyboard.
And here is Sid Bowfin doing his own take on the technical troubles.
It might be worth noting that one of Tavaré's early jokes was "Good evening. My name is Jim, I'm going to play you music spanning several centuries. Hope you've got the time."
And his admirer says on stage: "Ladies and gentlemen, hello, my name is Sid Bowfin, and I'm here to play you some classical music for the next four hours! Are you excited? You should get out more."
Use this information as you will.
UPDATE: A comment has been posted under the name "Sid Bowfin" over at Punchline Magazine's article about this story. The article is a reprint of Tavaré's letter to Punchline, wherein he makes his case.
Bowfin's entire response to the accusations are as follows:
If this is the real "Bowfin", what we have here is a petty pickpocket complaining that there wasn't enough money in the wallet he stole, and concluding 'this makes us both look bad.'
† Episode 18: Take My Life, Please — 27 February 1992
In the 3rd season of Wings† Jim Tavaré played a comedian who steals Helen Chapel's comedy thunder by doing a stand-up act with the same gimmick she is hoping will make her stand out: playing a large stringed instrument.
Now, Tavaré is making sure everyone knows that there's a comic out there, named Sid Bowfin, who's trying to steal more than his thunder: Tavaré believes he's stealing the entire act.
Tavare has been working hard to shine an accusing light on the would-be doppelgänger. He's been on Twitter asking for help from Robin Ince, Bob Saget, Peter Serafinowicz, Bryan Callen, Neal Brennan, Stephen Fry, the people at Punchline Magazine and others.
See, the important difference here, is that while both Tavaré (left) and Bowfin (right) are checking their mics, Bowfin has updated the material by using a wireless mic. Tavaré never though of that. |
The similarities pretty feasibly go beyond mere coincidences. Both wear white tie and tails on stage, use a member of the viol family as a prop, sport a slick scalp, have similar websites (Tavaré's page, Bowfin's page), speak with a British accent (that might be coincidence), and even work with some similar extended premises on stage.
Here's a video of Tavaré doing a bit about a malfunctioning mic and keyboard.
And here is Sid Bowfin doing his own take on the technical troubles.
It might be worth noting that one of Tavaré's early jokes was "Good evening. My name is Jim, I'm going to play you music spanning several centuries. Hope you've got the time."
And his admirer says on stage: "Ladies and gentlemen, hello, my name is Sid Bowfin, and I'm here to play you some classical music for the next four hours! Are you excited? You should get out more."
Use this information as you will.
UPDATE: A comment has been posted under the name "Sid Bowfin" over at Punchline Magazine's article about this story. The article is a reprint of Tavaré's letter to Punchline, wherein he makes his case.
Bowfin's entire response to the accusations are as follows:
You’re right, I can’t deny it any longer I have stolen my entire act from you, which probably explains why it’s so bad. This whole article is like an argument between two prostitutes over who caught herpes first, there are no winners here and the losers are the comedy loving public who have now had their conciousness [sic] infected with our comedy STIs.
If this is the real "Bowfin", what we have here is a petty pickpocket complaining that there wasn't enough money in the wallet he stole, and concluding 'this makes us both look bad.'
† Episode 18: Take My Life, Please — 27 February 1992
Saturday, June 11, 2011
The Quick Changes of Bill Murray
Can you identify all the Bill Murray movie roles in this GIF? The images scroll in the order the movies were made.
This is the fine work of Derek Eads whose page is full of excellent illustrations.
This is the fine work of Derek Eads whose page is full of excellent illustrations.
Sunday, May 08, 2011
Nick Griffin: You Always Want a Donut
You get a heavy sense, from Nick Griffin's comedy, that his world doesn't sparkle. His material covers depression, poverty, overdrinking, sexual frustration, insecurity, and the apparent cause of it all: divorce — which he reminds us is a lot worse than being scratched by a cat. Actually, divorce might be the result of it all. Either way, he has churned that fetid bubbling brew into a potent stand-up act.
Originally from Kansas City, he's been a part of both the L.A. and New York comedy machines, currently churning out of New York. During his recent stop in Indiana, I had a chance to talk with him about his writing, his traveling, his projects, and what he calls his "dopey Twitter account."
Lafayette Indiana is so small and simple that when Nick Griffin tells me he's on his way "downtown," that's enough to make our paths cross. When his next message tells me he's on Main and 9th, I don't text him back; I just look up. Because I'm already on Main and 9th too. He sees me from the car, waves, parks, then crosses the street to shake my hand. I have to add that he doesn't have to look for parking, and he barely has to look both ways before crossing the street. Downtown Lafayette is ghostly.
Why is he riding into a small town like this, for a single show? It can't be the coffee shops. The only one we can find is about to close, and it's barely past 6:15PM. What could have pulled him out here from New York?
"It's another gig," he says. "I kinda have to take it." Certainly he doesn't really "have to." Griffin isn't begging for spots. He works and travels almost constantly. He could take a break. But a look at his itinerary makes it clear that a big part of why he has to, is his work ethic.
This is the second time within the space of a week that Griffin has visited and performed in central Indiana. The previous weekend he headlined four nights at Crackers in Indianapolis, where I caught one of his sets. He believes that at a typical club show there are maybe 10 or 15 people who came out to see him. "The rest of them have no idea who I am. They just wanted to go out to a comedy club." But for the show I saw, he had the Saturday night crowd sustained in laughter as successfully as any comic I've seen. With a steady pacing that rolled as if on rails.
The consistent tightness of his writing is always impressive. Each joke works well on it's own, but he doesn't just fire them off in isolation. Griffin is a joke writer, with well-crafted chunks, connected thematically. Not only does he want each joke to serve a narrative on stage, he wants it to fit his own perspective. "As I grow older I think I would like to have material be as reflective of my thoughts as possible. I don't hold on to material if it doesn't say what I want it to say."
Altho he admits to sometimes being harder on himself than necessary, he recognizes the benefits of his self-flagellating criticism. "Quite frankly it's so hard to write great material. I saw Jerry Seinfeld talk about having this really great act, and how hard it is for a new joke to get into that act because it's such a high standard." He pauses. "Not that my act is on that level." But he trusts his standards and knows that at least being hard on himself is another way of pushing himself to write honestly. "You do feel like there's a certain standard of a great joke and you want to have every new joke be up to that."
He writes every day, then tries the material onstage. He records every set, and listens to it later, then hones the jokes. Writing. Testing. Revising. Retesting. Of course that effort and intense crafting can start to wear. "I'm one line at a time. Thirty seconds at a time." Tho there are the occasional epiphanies "where there's a joke out there in the ether, and I find it. You know immediately that that's the one. It happens very rarely, like maybe a couple times a year where you'll think 'I don't even have to try this. I could just not do this joke, and still know it's a great joke.'"
He's in awe of comedians like Louis C.K. and Bill Burr who have been almost eerily prolific. "I just watched Burr's hourlong special, Let It Go, and I just can't believe how good it is. It's tons of material, and it's chunks, and it's thematically consistent, and it's great."
Shaking his head in disbelief, "I just don't have that. Even a good month for me is like two minutes or three minutes. It's not ten. Never has been."
He hasn't taken too naturally to his Twitter account, @TheNickGriffin. He updates it occasionally, but he's wary of putting unfinished work out there with his name on it. He's not at all critical, however, of comedians who use the internet to gain exposure. "I think it's an exciting time. I think it's a creative boom maybe, even more-so than a financial boom." And he realizes the opportunity of online exposure isn't a shortcut to anything. "There's so many good comics, and only so many venues. You've gotta find a way to market yourself." Something he admits isn't his strength. "It's hard to keep up with, quite frankly."
Among the spotlighting venues that consider Griffin a go-to guy is the Bob & Tom morning radio show, based in Indianapolis. He's a regular there. This has given him a good midwest fan base, helping to set up shows like his appearance here in Lafayette with fellow Bob & Tom regular, Tim Cavanagh.
Griffin has done a half-hour for Comedy Central Presents, he's been on Craig Ferguson's Late Late show a few times, and he recently did a spot on Conan's new show.
One of the greatest sources of pride: he's becoming a familiar face on David Letterman's Late Show. Griffin has long admired the late-night host, and feels lucky to be in the stable of repeat acts. It's especially heartening, considering the dark direction where his humor tilts. Griffin's disturbed perspective is what kicks most of his material into action. So, predictably, a lot of his best stuff isn't quite sweet enough for the networks. One of his jokes complains about his inability to date younger women.
"Because young girls are filled with sugar and spice and everything nice. And I'm filled with anger and semen and shame."
"Maybe one of my favorite jokes I ever wrote," he says. But when he took the set to Late Show talent coordinator, Eddie Brill, semen had to be changed to Prozac. "To be honest with you I don't think I even asked them if I could say semen. I just knew they weren't gonna let me." But, of course, doing the show is a huge honor, and he's happy to do it every chance he gets.
One of his appearances on Late Night caught the attention of John Markus, a writer and producer on The Cosby Show and The Larry Sanders Show. Markus contacted Griffin about developing a sitcom. They got Letterman's company, Worldwide Pants, to help pitch it to a network, and ABC went so far as to pay them to write a pilot. It didn't go any further, but Griffin is pleased to have gotten a chance to learn about the avenue.
"I would love to have a show" he says. "If someone allowed me to do it, like Seinfeld did, where you can be the comic that you really are, that'd be great." For him, a sitcom wouldn't be a way out of stand-up. It would be a way to do more with it. "It brings more people out to see your stand-up. It's better venues. You wanna get better. You want to develop. And you want people to see you. I didn't grow up wanting to be an actor tho."
And now, to his club and TV and radio appearances, he's added a new album: Bring Out the Monkey.
Griffin is a very quotable comedian. His jokes are structurally solid and thematically direct, making them memorable, and very portable.
On despair:
On laziness:
On arousal:
The point of view and the character that says these things is clear in his act. Recently, he's been opening with material about being envious of vampires. A woman in the Lafayette audience calls out "The real ones!" She apparently doesn't appreciate the prissy vampires prancing thru the Twilight series. Griffin shrugs and reminds her: "I've got news for you. They're all fake." That's the backbone of his comedy: bare reality. He says what he believes is true. And his delivery is perfectly suited to the humor. His pauses and his rhythm are deliberate but natural. There aren't gaps; there's space. He knows how to give each joke time to connect and hit. It seems almost unfairly fortunate for him that he's such an appropriate messenger for his humor.
So it's easy to imagine him getting the attention of the right people at the right time to throw his career into a new level. He mentions the sudden sensation and discovery of Jay Pharoah, whose celebrity impressions on YouTube got the attention of Lorne Michaels, earning Pharoah a spot as a featured player on SNL. "There's a lot of different ways to develop ideas and I'm hopefully going to keep trying all of them, and maybe one of them will break thru."
He's aware of his competition. "There's a million comics. There's a million actors. I think the internet is going to create some really great comics, and it's going to create some really bad comics who'll become really famous." Not being in the second group is a source both of pride, and some frustration.
Griffin is not unknown. He's not obscure. He's getting work and he has the solid respect of other comedians. Marc Maron considers him a "kindred spirit" and Joe Matarese has called him "the top of the Letterman guys," saying that all the sets are "homeruns" full of "unbelievable jokes."
Griffin's dedication to comedy has him swirling around the country, and bouncing between the coasts. From his stint in Indianapolis on the 30th of April, he went back to New York for the week, then came back to Indiana for the show in Lafayette on the 6th, then back home again. He'll be in Columbus Ohio, from May 18-22 at the Funny Bone, and a week after that he'll be at the San Francisco Punchline. The week after that he's at the Omaha Nebraska Funny Bone.
"I used to be able to route things a little bit better" he says. "The last few years have gotten kinda weird."
The last few years have also revealed Letterman's obvious regard for him. He's already slated for another spot this coming Friday, May 13th. Maybe it'll be that consistent presence combined with his sole-thinning tour strategy that will eventually pay off.
His face is already getting recognized. As we're finishing up our conversation, a young couple walks past us on the sidewalk. They whisper something to each other, then turn back around. "Are you a comedian," the guy asks. "Yeah, I am. Nice to meet you" Griffin says, and shakes the guy's hand with a smile. The kid is excited. "Yeah, I saw you and I knew you looked familiar."
Later that night after the show, an obvious fan who looks about college age, stands in line to shake Nick's hand. He excitedly tells Nick "Right now, I have a picture of you as the wallpaper on my computer."
That's gotta be a compliment he doesn't hear too often. But if great sets, a strong new album, national TV spots, and a foot in the sitcom door aren't enough to turn Griffin into a Pollyanna, I doubt that being on another guy's computer screen is going to do the trick. But Griffin smiles, and talks to the kid for a while, shaking his hand with what looks like sincere appreciation.
It may not yet be the broad and intense fame that packs every club with nothing but fans. And he may still feel a responsibility to grind out the circuit. But it should be a good reminder that he's doing what he's doing, very well. "If I get to be a really good comic along the way, I'll be OK with that."
So maybe Griffin is doomed to always be chasing after something more than OK. Because he passed "really good comic" a while ago.
Originally from Kansas City, he's been a part of both the L.A. and New York comedy machines, currently churning out of New York. During his recent stop in Indiana, I had a chance to talk with him about his writing, his traveling, his projects, and what he calls his "dopey Twitter account."
My wife with Nick Griffin in the barely lit lobby after his show in Lafayette, IN. |
Why is he riding into a small town like this, for a single show? It can't be the coffee shops. The only one we can find is about to close, and it's barely past 6:15PM. What could have pulled him out here from New York?
"It's another gig," he says. "I kinda have to take it." Certainly he doesn't really "have to." Griffin isn't begging for spots. He works and travels almost constantly. He could take a break. But a look at his itinerary makes it clear that a big part of why he has to, is his work ethic.
This is the second time within the space of a week that Griffin has visited and performed in central Indiana. The previous weekend he headlined four nights at Crackers in Indianapolis, where I caught one of his sets. He believes that at a typical club show there are maybe 10 or 15 people who came out to see him. "The rest of them have no idea who I am. They just wanted to go out to a comedy club." But for the show I saw, he had the Saturday night crowd sustained in laughter as successfully as any comic I've seen. With a steady pacing that rolled as if on rails.
The consistent tightness of his writing is always impressive. Each joke works well on it's own, but he doesn't just fire them off in isolation. Griffin is a joke writer, with well-crafted chunks, connected thematically. Not only does he want each joke to serve a narrative on stage, he wants it to fit his own perspective. "As I grow older I think I would like to have material be as reflective of my thoughts as possible. I don't hold on to material if it doesn't say what I want it to say."
Altho he admits to sometimes being harder on himself than necessary, he recognizes the benefits of his self-flagellating criticism. "Quite frankly it's so hard to write great material. I saw Jerry Seinfeld talk about having this really great act, and how hard it is for a new joke to get into that act because it's such a high standard." He pauses. "Not that my act is on that level." But he trusts his standards and knows that at least being hard on himself is another way of pushing himself to write honestly. "You do feel like there's a certain standard of a great joke and you want to have every new joke be up to that."
He writes every day, then tries the material onstage. He records every set, and listens to it later, then hones the jokes. Writing. Testing. Revising. Retesting. Of course that effort and intense crafting can start to wear. "I'm one line at a time. Thirty seconds at a time." Tho there are the occasional epiphanies "where there's a joke out there in the ether, and I find it. You know immediately that that's the one. It happens very rarely, like maybe a couple times a year where you'll think 'I don't even have to try this. I could just not do this joke, and still know it's a great joke.'"
He's in awe of comedians like Louis C.K. and Bill Burr who have been almost eerily prolific. "I just watched Burr's hourlong special, Let It Go, and I just can't believe how good it is. It's tons of material, and it's chunks, and it's thematically consistent, and it's great."
Shaking his head in disbelief, "I just don't have that. Even a good month for me is like two minutes or three minutes. It's not ten. Never has been."
He hasn't taken too naturally to his Twitter account, @TheNickGriffin. He updates it occasionally, but he's wary of putting unfinished work out there with his name on it. He's not at all critical, however, of comedians who use the internet to gain exposure. "I think it's an exciting time. I think it's a creative boom maybe, even more-so than a financial boom." And he realizes the opportunity of online exposure isn't a shortcut to anything. "There's so many good comics, and only so many venues. You've gotta find a way to market yourself." Something he admits isn't his strength. "It's hard to keep up with, quite frankly."
Among the spotlighting venues that consider Griffin a go-to guy is the Bob & Tom morning radio show, based in Indianapolis. He's a regular there. This has given him a good midwest fan base, helping to set up shows like his appearance here in Lafayette with fellow Bob & Tom regular, Tim Cavanagh.
Griffin has done a half-hour for Comedy Central Presents, he's been on Craig Ferguson's Late Late show a few times, and he recently did a spot on Conan's new show.
One of the greatest sources of pride: he's becoming a familiar face on David Letterman's Late Show. Griffin has long admired the late-night host, and feels lucky to be in the stable of repeat acts. It's especially heartening, considering the dark direction where his humor tilts. Griffin's disturbed perspective is what kicks most of his material into action. So, predictably, a lot of his best stuff isn't quite sweet enough for the networks. One of his jokes complains about his inability to date younger women.
"Because young girls are filled with sugar and spice and everything nice. And I'm filled with anger and semen and shame."
"Maybe one of my favorite jokes I ever wrote," he says. But when he took the set to Late Show talent coordinator, Eddie Brill, semen had to be changed to Prozac. "To be honest with you I don't think I even asked them if I could say semen. I just knew they weren't gonna let me." But, of course, doing the show is a huge honor, and he's happy to do it every chance he gets.
One of his appearances on Late Night caught the attention of John Markus, a writer and producer on The Cosby Show and The Larry Sanders Show. Markus contacted Griffin about developing a sitcom. They got Letterman's company, Worldwide Pants, to help pitch it to a network, and ABC went so far as to pay them to write a pilot. It didn't go any further, but Griffin is pleased to have gotten a chance to learn about the avenue.
"I would love to have a show" he says. "If someone allowed me to do it, like Seinfeld did, where you can be the comic that you really are, that'd be great." For him, a sitcom wouldn't be a way out of stand-up. It would be a way to do more with it. "It brings more people out to see your stand-up. It's better venues. You wanna get better. You want to develop. And you want people to see you. I didn't grow up wanting to be an actor tho."
And now, to his club and TV and radio appearances, he's added a new album: Bring Out the Monkey.
Griffin is a very quotable comedian. His jokes are structurally solid and thematically direct, making them memorable, and very portable.
On despair:
Sleep is like killing yourself, but you wake up refreshed. You ever wake up refreshed but you go back to bed anyway? Yeah. That's called depression.
On laziness:
If my generation had come over as the pilgrims, this would not be the United States of America. This would be that place where all those pilgrims died.
On arousal:
I think about sex a lot. A lot. I don't know who is running the projector in my brain, but he is very immature.
The point of view and the character that says these things is clear in his act. Recently, he's been opening with material about being envious of vampires. A woman in the Lafayette audience calls out "The real ones!" She apparently doesn't appreciate the prissy vampires prancing thru the Twilight series. Griffin shrugs and reminds her: "I've got news for you. They're all fake." That's the backbone of his comedy: bare reality. He says what he believes is true. And his delivery is perfectly suited to the humor. His pauses and his rhythm are deliberate but natural. There aren't gaps; there's space. He knows how to give each joke time to connect and hit. It seems almost unfairly fortunate for him that he's such an appropriate messenger for his humor.
So it's easy to imagine him getting the attention of the right people at the right time to throw his career into a new level. He mentions the sudden sensation and discovery of Jay Pharoah, whose celebrity impressions on YouTube got the attention of Lorne Michaels, earning Pharoah a spot as a featured player on SNL. "There's a lot of different ways to develop ideas and I'm hopefully going to keep trying all of them, and maybe one of them will break thru."
He's aware of his competition. "There's a million comics. There's a million actors. I think the internet is going to create some really great comics, and it's going to create some really bad comics who'll become really famous." Not being in the second group is a source both of pride, and some frustration.
Griffin is not unknown. He's not obscure. He's getting work and he has the solid respect of other comedians. Marc Maron considers him a "kindred spirit" and Joe Matarese has called him "the top of the Letterman guys," saying that all the sets are "homeruns" full of "unbelievable jokes."
Griffin's dedication to comedy has him swirling around the country, and bouncing between the coasts. From his stint in Indianapolis on the 30th of April, he went back to New York for the week, then came back to Indiana for the show in Lafayette on the 6th, then back home again. He'll be in Columbus Ohio, from May 18-22 at the Funny Bone, and a week after that he'll be at the San Francisco Punchline. The week after that he's at the Omaha Nebraska Funny Bone.
"I used to be able to route things a little bit better" he says. "The last few years have gotten kinda weird."
The last few years have also revealed Letterman's obvious regard for him. He's already slated for another spot this coming Friday, May 13th. Maybe it'll be that consistent presence combined with his sole-thinning tour strategy that will eventually pay off.
His face is already getting recognized. As we're finishing up our conversation, a young couple walks past us on the sidewalk. They whisper something to each other, then turn back around. "Are you a comedian," the guy asks. "Yeah, I am. Nice to meet you" Griffin says, and shakes the guy's hand with a smile. The kid is excited. "Yeah, I saw you and I knew you looked familiar."
Later that night after the show, an obvious fan who looks about college age, stands in line to shake Nick's hand. He excitedly tells Nick "Right now, I have a picture of you as the wallpaper on my computer."
That's gotta be a compliment he doesn't hear too often. But if great sets, a strong new album, national TV spots, and a foot in the sitcom door aren't enough to turn Griffin into a Pollyanna, I doubt that being on another guy's computer screen is going to do the trick. But Griffin smiles, and talks to the kid for a while, shaking his hand with what looks like sincere appreciation.
It may not yet be the broad and intense fame that packs every club with nothing but fans. And he may still feel a responsibility to grind out the circuit. But it should be a good reminder that he's doing what he's doing, very well. "If I get to be a really good comic along the way, I'll be OK with that."
So maybe Griffin is doomed to always be chasing after something more than OK. Because he passed "really good comic" a while ago.
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Wednesday, May 04, 2011
Before you go, Remember this…
MEETING NOTES:
DICK: We need a young family-friendly comic. Nothing dirty. Nothing controversial.
ED: Yeah we can find that.
DICK: He needs to tailor the set to our show.
ED: You mean… be not very funny?
DICK: Hey! It can be funny, but he's gotta ruin it with awkward commentary. You know, like when you talk to Johnny and me.
ED: Just any commentary?
DICK: No. he's gotta tie it all in to bloopers and maybe a practical joke.
ED: Who's gonna write this material for him?
DICK: Let him use his own jokes. If he's bright, he'll figure out a way to do the tie-ins.
--
Jerry takes the stage:
Thank you very much. Thank you. Bloopers… You know, I flew in on a plane. Talk about bloopers. You don't want bloopers on a plane. Stewardesses, they uh, they never make a mistake. They're too happy. They do their job. They come out there. They put on their little show. You know, before the plane takes off.
DICK AND ED: [in the wings] This is better than we could have imagined.
Tuesday, May 03, 2011
Mandy, Presented by The Sims 2
I spent a summer playing the Sims. It's addictive and time consuming. I spent a few weeks getting a good job, building a mansion, making friends, hitting on the hot neighbor, then proposing to her in front of a fireplace. She caught fire and burned to death.
I decided to stop there because my 4 minutes of uncontrollable laughter were going to be impossible to top.
So I started playing The Sims.
This video is about 4 years old. But it holds up because of 1:47.
I decided to stop there because my 4 minutes of uncontrollable laughter were going to be impossible to top.
So I started playing The Sims.
This video is about 4 years old. But it holds up because of 1:47.
Monday, May 02, 2011
Can I Violate You with a Rubber Chicken?
Wired magazine recently devoted an issue to humor. Which means that Andy Samberg was on the cover and a couple articles were about jokes and comedians. Yeah, They went all out.
The issue includes an article by Joel Warner, "The Humor Code: One professor's attempt to explain every joke ever with a single Venn Diagram." Here's the quick summary of Peter McGraw's theory of humor, "the Grand Unified Theory of humor—in his words, 'a parsimonious account of what makes things funny.'"
This theory of "Benign Violation" looks easy to describe. It proposes that we laugh to signal our understanding that a challenge to dignity or other "norms" poses no real threat. Warner writes of one study carried out by the professor and his associates:
Here's the obvious problem with the theory: it's impossible to find a number, or value, for something like "psychological distance." And even if there was a number there, how would you measure it? And someone's commitment to a norm is probably even harder to fence in. But perhaps a questionnaire, and some psychological profiling will get us halfway there. So fine, if we accept that those are the variables, we know that we should measure them. Somehow.
But I'm very committed to the norm of not murdering someone. I'm planning to go my whole life without murdering anyone. And yet, I can find a joke about murder extremely funny. So am I more OK with murder than I thought?
Then, how is something that's said ironically, processed as a violation of anything other than discourse? How is a punchline that the teller doesn't "really believe" a violation of anything other than some rule about 'what shouldn't be said'?
To navigate thru that challenge, a theory like McGraw's would have to introduce something like 'a commitment to norms regarding ways of expressing commitment to a norm.' In other words, 'how sensitive someone is to comments about, or representations of, a norm.' In familiar words: a sense of humor.
One of McGraw's go-to analogies is tickling: we recoil from tickling because it's a violation of space and body comfort, but we laugh because we know we're not at risk. And we can't tickle ourselves because we can't violate ourselves. Well, in that case, I guess wasn't really caught doing anything that one time.
And even tho McGraw claims to be able to predict what isn't funny, all he seems to do is predict that some things aren't going to be funny to some people. They fail to be funny if the violation threatens the audience or its "worldview." But then why are some things that turn out to be benign violations not funny? Why is a car spinning on a bridge and stopping right at the edge, not a hilarious event? And what's the Venn Diagram for the difference between a successful and a botched joke? If someone messes up every joke with bad rhythm or a tipped punchline, how does this theory explain that failure? There are millions of ways of ruining a joke—most of them have nothing to do with the meaning or the content of the joke, or the issues being played with. The Venn Diagram only allows for two explanations for a failed joke: either it didn't violate, or it isn't benign.
Of course, I'm just going based on the Wired article. And despite every oversimplification that I've committed in this post, I'm always skeptical of dumbed-down versions of ideas. I still haven't read McGraw's paper, but I do plan to. He presented it in the journal Psychological Science last year.
In the article, Warner quotes Purdue Linguistics professor, Victor Raskin, who calls the theory "flawed and bullshit." Louis CK also weighs in. When McGraw tries to explain the theory, CK interrupts and protests "There are thousands of kinds of jokes. I just don't believe that there's one explanation."
There might be one explanation for all the different types of jokes out there. Puns, pratfalls, impressions, exaggeration, insults, absurdity and on and on. It's possible that all those varieties lead to one response—laughter—because of one feature or structure common to all of them. But in an attempt to keep it simple, McGraw's theory as reported doesn't offer anything beyond a restatement of the very dynamic it's supposed to predict. It doesn't look like this theory does what a theory should: make a disprovable claim. McGraw basically says that people find those challenges funny, that fit into their category of things that are allowed to be funny.
That's a violation of my belief that humor is more than mere disagreement. And it doesn't look anything like a threat to my worldview. Maybe that's why I find it so laughable.
The issue includes an article by Joel Warner, "The Humor Code: One professor's attempt to explain every joke ever with a single Venn Diagram." Here's the quick summary of Peter McGraw's theory of humor, "the Grand Unified Theory of humor—in his words, 'a parsimonious account of what makes things funny.'"
photo from Janelle Keith's Blog (link) |
McGraw determined that funniness could be predicted based on how committed a person is to the norm being violated, conflicts between two salient norms, and psychological distance from the perceived violation.That's a simple claim. All you have to do in order to find out if someone is going to find something funny, is measure the size of their values; identify what expectations they have and are able to perceive, and get out your "psychological distance" tape-measure. That's all. When you know those numbers, you know if something's going to be funny.
Here's the obvious problem with the theory: it's impossible to find a number, or value, for something like "psychological distance." And even if there was a number there, how would you measure it? And someone's commitment to a norm is probably even harder to fence in. But perhaps a questionnaire, and some psychological profiling will get us halfway there. So fine, if we accept that those are the variables, we know that we should measure them. Somehow.
But I'm very committed to the norm of not murdering someone. I'm planning to go my whole life without murdering anyone. And yet, I can find a joke about murder extremely funny. So am I more OK with murder than I thought?
Then, how is something that's said ironically, processed as a violation of anything other than discourse? How is a punchline that the teller doesn't "really believe" a violation of anything other than some rule about 'what shouldn't be said'?
To navigate thru that challenge, a theory like McGraw's would have to introduce something like 'a commitment to norms regarding ways of expressing commitment to a norm.' In other words, 'how sensitive someone is to comments about, or representations of, a norm.' In familiar words: a sense of humor.
One of McGraw's go-to analogies is tickling: we recoil from tickling because it's a violation of space and body comfort, but we laugh because we know we're not at risk. And we can't tickle ourselves because we can't violate ourselves. Well, in that case, I guess wasn't really caught doing anything that one time.
And even tho McGraw claims to be able to predict what isn't funny, all he seems to do is predict that some things aren't going to be funny to some people. They fail to be funny if the violation threatens the audience or its "worldview." But then why are some things that turn out to be benign violations not funny? Why is a car spinning on a bridge and stopping right at the edge, not a hilarious event? And what's the Venn Diagram for the difference between a successful and a botched joke? If someone messes up every joke with bad rhythm or a tipped punchline, how does this theory explain that failure? There are millions of ways of ruining a joke—most of them have nothing to do with the meaning or the content of the joke, or the issues being played with. The Venn Diagram only allows for two explanations for a failed joke: either it didn't violate, or it isn't benign.
Of course, I'm just going based on the Wired article. And despite every oversimplification that I've committed in this post, I'm always skeptical of dumbed-down versions of ideas. I still haven't read McGraw's paper, but I do plan to. He presented it in the journal Psychological Science last year.
In the article, Warner quotes Purdue Linguistics professor, Victor Raskin, who calls the theory "flawed and bullshit." Louis CK also weighs in. When McGraw tries to explain the theory, CK interrupts and protests "There are thousands of kinds of jokes. I just don't believe that there's one explanation."
There might be one explanation for all the different types of jokes out there. Puns, pratfalls, impressions, exaggeration, insults, absurdity and on and on. It's possible that all those varieties lead to one response—laughter—because of one feature or structure common to all of them. But in an attempt to keep it simple, McGraw's theory as reported doesn't offer anything beyond a restatement of the very dynamic it's supposed to predict. It doesn't look like this theory does what a theory should: make a disprovable claim. McGraw basically says that people find those challenges funny, that fit into their category of things that are allowed to be funny.
That's a violation of my belief that humor is more than mere disagreement. And it doesn't look anything like a threat to my worldview. Maybe that's why I find it so laughable.
Sunday, May 01, 2011
Aflac's new Quacksperson.
It's been about a week now since Aflac announced their new duck-voice: Daniel McKeague. It's a pretty masterful PR move to make people care about a soccer coach from Minnesota getting a VO gig.
Did they go for a new sound? Did they go for an impression? The first video doesn't make it clear. it's almost a split between Gottfried and Donald Duck. But McKeague explains that he did have an impression in his pocket. "Whenever that ad would come on I would imitate the duck and the kids loved it."
The second video, strangely, sounds like a completely different voice. Not at all Donald-ish or Gilbert-y. I wonder if they checked every contestant's tweets before deciding.
Did they go for a new sound? Did they go for an impression? The first video doesn't make it clear. it's almost a split between Gottfried and Donald Duck. But McKeague explains that he did have an impression in his pocket. "Whenever that ad would come on I would imitate the duck and the kids loved it."
The second video, strangely, sounds like a completely different voice. Not at all Donald-ish or Gilbert-y. I wonder if they checked every contestant's tweets before deciding.
Monday, March 28, 2011
The Hangover Part II: One Nightmare in Bangkok?
From the synopsis on the Apple's trailer page:
Watch the teaser trailer.
After the unforgettable bachelor party in Las Vegas, Stu is taking no chances and has opted for a safe, subdued pre-wedding brunch.Spoiler alert: Things fall apart.
Watch the teaser trailer.
Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Aflac Claptrap: Amy Phillips Makes a Good Impression
Now that Gilbert Gottfried is out, how many celebrities does it take to say Aflac annoyingly? Six. Or maybe just one. Amy Phillips. The impersonations are good, and she gets extra points for including Rita Rudner.
Seriously, who had the foresight to tell her to work up a Rita Rudner impression? Nicely done.
via @Satiristas
Seriously, who had the foresight to tell her to work up a Rita Rudner impression? Nicely done.
via @Satiristas
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
SNL Commercial Parody: Corn Syrup
This is the first SNL commercial parody in a while to make me laugh. Short. Tight. A clear premise that doesn't get pounded to death.
Now, how much would you say final turn/reveal was added as a tag to strengthen the bit structurally as a punchline, versus being added to keep critics from accusing the writers of being one-sided on the issue?
Now, how much would you say final turn/reveal was added as a tag to strengthen the bit structurally as a punchline, versus being added to keep critics from accusing the writers of being one-sided on the issue?
Thursday, March 17, 2011
Online Petition to Save Gottfried's VO Job
Eric Hansen wants Aflac to rehire Gilbert Gottfried. His argument, according to the online petition he has started, is pretty easy to improve on.
via Punchline Magazine
- "Gottfried was simply enacting his first amendment rights"
- He has "a well-established reputation as a filthy, tasteless comedian."
- "[B]y joking about this tragedy, he could have brightened the days of the victims of it."
- "In short, if you didn't want to associate yourself with a tasteless comedian who makes inappropriate jokes, you had no business hiring Gilbert Gottfried in the first place."
via Punchline Magazine
Wednesday, March 16, 2011
Tom Myers: Comedy Mentor
If you haven't read the last post or the editorial that it was written in response to, please do so before watching this video.
Comic Disapproves of Reading Notes Onstage.
Baltimore comedian Tom Myers has written a very important editorial for Punchline Magazine about something that is tearing at the core of the stand-up comedy artform: reading from your notes.
Really, Tom? Why is this an important issue?
Yep. This is what comedians need to do to make it. In fact, just a week and a half ago I saw Marc Maron start his set with about 15 minutes of reading and commenting on his notes. It was hilarious. But you're telling me it could have been better? I'll be sure to forward your editorial to him so that he can benefit from your advice.
If patrons had attended a Kentucky Derby where the Thoroughbreds all wandered around the track aimlessly, I'm sure the audience would angrily sashay out of Churchill Downs and demand their money back. This principle should apply to Andy Kindler's act. He should run as fast as he can in a circle.
Seriously? You use a cheat sheet? There's nothing wrong with that I guess. But what's more important to you? Would you rather people remember your shows saying "that was so hilarious" or "that was so well memorized"?
They paid money to be entertained. Not to be tricked into thinking you studied carefully for the test.
So as long as they're doing well on stage, note or no notes really doesn't matter? As long as a comedian is funny, they can completely ignore your advice? I think many of them will.
Really, Tom? Why is this an important issue?
In order to make it to the top, it is beneficial for every comedian to follow this piece of advice that I am offering. It is something that can help all comedians and is the reason why I have invested so much time and energy into writing this piece.
Yep. This is what comedians need to do to make it. In fact, just a week and a half ago I saw Marc Maron start his set with about 15 minutes of reading and commenting on his notes. It was hilarious. But you're telling me it could have been better? I'll be sure to forward your editorial to him so that he can benefit from your advice.
If patrons had attended a showing of Hamlet where Sir John Gielgud read off of his script for the duration of the performance, then the audience collectively would have (rightfully so) walked out and demanded their money back. This principle should apply to professional comedy shows as well as showcases. The comedian should be able to commit certain concepts to memory, with limited chances to be prompted.
If patrons had attended a Kentucky Derby where the Thoroughbreds all wandered around the track aimlessly, I'm sure the audience would angrily sashay out of Churchill Downs and demand their money back. This principle should apply to Andy Kindler's act. He should run as fast as he can in a circle.
I often use a cheat sheet, which contains a list of my newest bits that are more than likely not yet planted into my memory.
Seriously? You use a cheat sheet? There's nothing wrong with that I guess. But what's more important to you? Would you rather people remember your shows saying "that was so hilarious" or "that was so well memorized"?
…this technique can be helpful because it does not create an awkward sense in the audience because they are witnessing this performer that they have paid money to see literally reading off a sheet of paper and not paying attention to them.
They paid money to be entertained. Not to be tricked into thinking you studied carefully for the test.
The newer comics figure if a comedy great like Mitch Hedberg did it, then they can get away with it, as well. The difference between the two is that Mitch Hedberg could get laughs and be funny.
So as long as they're doing well on stage, note or no notes really doesn't matter? As long as a comedian is funny, they can completely ignore your advice? I think many of them will.
Tuesday, March 15, 2011
Aflac Fires Gilbert Gottfried for Jokes about Japan
Gilbert Gottfried is taking some of the attention away from Alec Sulkin for tweets about Japan that offended people. And he's one-upping the story: Gottfried's jokes got him fired from his quacking gig.
Aflac released a statement, saying
Some of the jokes:
Gottfried made jokes about 9/11 just a few weeks after the attack. It was at the Friars Club roast of Hugh Hefner. He started to lose the crowd, but he won them back by telling a joke about sodomy, incest, pedophilia, scat, and showbusiness. And the punchline wasn't even that great. But the crowd loved it.
link to a story about the firing.
another link to a story about the firing.
another link to yet another story about the firing.
Aflac released a statement, saying
Gilbert’s recent comments about the crisis in Japan were lacking in humor and certainly do not represent the thoughts and feelings of anyone at Aflac.
Some of the jokes:
Japan called me. They said ‘maybe those jokes are a hit in the U.S., but over here, they’re all sinking.
I was talking to my Japanese real estate agent. I said ‘is there a school in this area.’ She said ‘not now, but just wait.
Japan is really advanced. They don't go to the beach. The beach comes to them.
Gottfried made jokes about 9/11 just a few weeks after the attack. It was at the Friars Club roast of Hugh Hefner. He started to lose the crowd, but he won them back by telling a joke about sodomy, incest, pedophilia, scat, and showbusiness. And the punchline wasn't even that great. But the crowd loved it.
link to a story about the firing.
another link to a story about the firing.
another link to yet another story about the firing.
Saturday, March 12, 2011
The Sulk vs Your Feelings. And Japan, Too.
The second biggest meltdown to come from the Japan earthquake was the reaction to Alec Sulkin's joke on twitter.
Some people, of course, were offended. If you look over his history of tweets and the stuff he's written for Family Guy, it's a pretty safe bet that people are offended by his stuff all the time. The criticism of this tweet can't just be that it's the "most" offensive thing he's written, because who cares if it's his most offensive work? Think about it: do we make a big deal when anyone does something worse than anything they've ever done before? No. We only care when people do things worse than anyone has done before.
So is this the most offensive joke every told? The most offensive tweet ever tweeted? No. Is it the earliest joke about Japan that got this much attention? Yes. And that reaction—whether you defend it or dismiss† it—is the doing of the people who were offended. Offended by this joke being too early. And probably more specifically, offended that Sulkin said he was willing to laugh in their temple. The temple of feeling bad.
Some of Sulkin's critics have been calm, and tried to analyze humor. Like this thought from The Comedy Bureau:
Decent advice, but unnecessary if you're OK with offending people. And sure, the shock is part of what's funny, but that's not the only way Sulkin's joke works.
Some responses have been less analytical and have just tried to express judgement. Like this contribution from from Kasey Anderson:
Using Anderson's comment as a springboard, Danforth France mixes some analysis with some judgement:
France makes some key claims that—for me—explain the difference in our reactions. He doesn't believe Sulkin said anything true. I disagree. I don't want to get too heavy into an analysis of the nature and structure of humor, but I do see that Sulkin's quote makes a statement about national memory, the history of nations, the nature of pity, the sins of the father, and the size of the world. Yes. Seriously. I'm not saying whether or not he thought all that, but at the very least his instinctual comic ear was picking up those tones.
France also wonders if the tweet was "meant to be taken humorously." Really? Does he think it's at all likely that Sulkin was serious? His argument continues with an attempt at statistical proof that the premise of the joke is flawed and he tries to take down Sulkin based on a logical claim about what numbers should make us feel bad for who.
Let's back up and repeat: It's ridiculous to believe that Sulkin is really claiming that this tragedy is payback for Pearl Harbor, or that the number of people killed in the attack 70 years ago is actually a mitigation on the toll of the earthquake. France is putting a lot of energy into making a point that nobody has actually disputed, unless you take the joke as a straightforward claim, meant to be taken seriously.†
He claims not to be interested in a discussion of "offensiveness or sensitivity or free speech or comedy theory," and he says he disregards the humor simply because "it’s a piece of shit joke." That's disingenuous. Is he out there calling out every joke he thinks is poorly written? It's no coincidence that the joke he's judging most harshly is also being called offensive.† And his very next post he claims a position of "Moral rectitude." He clearly believes this is more than just about the quality of a joke. Unless he believes the quality of a joke is a moral issue.†
Nobody has brought up the issue of harm done by Sulkin's joke, because nobody would be stupid enough to claim there is any. This isn't an issue that society is struggling with more urgently than all other evils. There's no current campaign of bigotry directed at the Japanese that this humor is making worse. There's no tinderbox of Japanese relations that inflammatory speech might set ablaze. There's no risk that jokes like this will make people afraid to help. There's really no risk.
Sulkin has made jokes about child abduction, D-Day, AIDS, rape, rape, incest (of the rape kind)… And people have laughed at them like they're meant to. The only stance that can claim this is now a moral issue, or that this simple joke is more contemptible than any other joke Sulkin has made, is one born almost entirely of the audience's demand that he not make light of their current emotional state. That's a fair (if silly) request. But it's no basis for a claim about his character or humor that you were never driven to make before.
Update:
Sulkin has apologized for the tweet and deleted it from his timeline, posting
†I have done some minor editing of this post to make some claims more precise and specific. The emended passages are marked.
Some people, of course, were offended. If you look over his history of tweets and the stuff he's written for Family Guy, it's a pretty safe bet that people are offended by his stuff all the time. The criticism of this tweet can't just be that it's the "most" offensive thing he's written, because who cares if it's his most offensive work? Think about it: do we make a big deal when anyone does something worse than anything they've ever done before? No. We only care when people do things worse than anyone has done before.
So is this the most offensive joke every told? The most offensive tweet ever tweeted? No. Is it the earliest joke about Japan that got this much attention? Yes. And that reaction—whether you defend it or dismiss† it—is the doing of the people who were offended. Offended by this joke being too early. And probably more specifically, offended that Sulkin said he was willing to laugh in their temple. The temple of feeling bad.
Some of Sulkin's critics have been calm, and tried to analyze humor. Like this thought from The Comedy Bureau:
Lesson: don’t make jokes in the “never too early” spirit of trying to be as controversial as possible just for the sake of being as controversial as possible, thinking the shock itself is what’s funny. Make jokes because the accepted inconsistency or overlooked false assumption is legitimately funny.
Decent advice, but unnecessary if you're OK with offending people. And sure, the shock is part of what's funny, but that's not the only way Sulkin's joke works.
Some responses have been less analytical and have just tried to express judgement. Like this contribution from from Kasey Anderson:
Always good when stuff like this weeds out the assholes of the world.
Using Anderson's comment as a springboard, Danforth France mixes some analysis with some judgement:
It fails as a joke because it doesn’t say anything true. It makes no point. It shines a light on nothing. If it’s meant to be taken humorously, it reveals a basic ignorance of the subject he’s joking about and THAT is offensive all by itself.
France makes some key claims that—for me—explain the difference in our reactions. He doesn't believe Sulkin said anything true. I disagree. I don't want to get too heavy into an analysis of the nature and structure of humor, but I do see that Sulkin's quote makes a statement about national memory, the history of nations, the nature of pity, the sins of the father, and the size of the world. Yes. Seriously. I'm not saying whether or not he thought all that, but at the very least his instinctual comic ear was picking up those tones.
France also wonders if the tweet was "meant to be taken humorously." Really? Does he think it's at all likely that Sulkin was serious? His argument continues with an attempt at statistical proof that the premise of the joke is flawed and he tries to take down Sulkin based on a logical claim about what numbers should make us feel bad for who.
Let's back up and repeat: It's ridiculous to believe that Sulkin is really claiming that this tragedy is payback for Pearl Harbor, or that the number of people killed in the attack 70 years ago is actually a mitigation on the toll of the earthquake. France is putting a lot of energy into making a point that nobody has actually disputed, unless you take the joke as a straightforward claim, meant to be taken seriously.†
He claims not to be interested in a discussion of "offensiveness or sensitivity or free speech or comedy theory," and he says he disregards the humor simply because "it’s a piece of shit joke." That's disingenuous. Is he out there calling out every joke he thinks is poorly written? It's no coincidence that the joke he's judging most harshly is also being called offensive.† And his very next post he claims a position of "Moral rectitude." He clearly believes this is more than just about the quality of a joke. Unless he believes the quality of a joke is a moral issue.†
Nobody has brought up the issue of harm done by Sulkin's joke, because nobody would be stupid enough to claim there is any. This isn't an issue that society is struggling with more urgently than all other evils. There's no current campaign of bigotry directed at the Japanese that this humor is making worse. There's no tinderbox of Japanese relations that inflammatory speech might set ablaze. There's no risk that jokes like this will make people afraid to help. There's really no risk.
Sulkin has made jokes about child abduction, D-Day, AIDS, rape, rape, incest (of the rape kind)… And people have laughed at them like they're meant to. The only stance that can claim this is now a moral issue, or that this simple joke is more contemptible than any other joke Sulkin has made, is one born almost entirely of the audience's demand that he not make light of their current emotional state. That's a fair (if silly) request. But it's no basis for a claim about his character or humor that you were never driven to make before.
Update:
Sulkin has apologized for the tweet and deleted it from his timeline, posting
Yesterday death toll = 200. Today = 10 thousand. I am sorry for my insensitive tweet. It's gone.
†I have done some minor editing of this post to make some claims more precise and specific. The emended passages are marked.
Friday, March 11, 2011
Gallagher Collapses During MN Show
Comedian Leo Anthony Gallagher collapsed on stage and was taken to a hospital Thursday night, according to the Associated Press.
Chris Blade, who was at the show, told a local reporter that Gallagher was complaining of pain and shortness of breath. Others in attendance confirm the appearance of a stroke or heart attack. No confirmations have come from doctors or the hospital.
No one reported hearing "Aw C'mon Gallagher!" as he was wheeled away.
Marc Maron tweeted: "I heard about Gallagher. I hope he is all right"
Chris Blade, who was at the show, told a local reporter that Gallagher was complaining of pain and shortness of breath. Others in attendance confirm the appearance of a stroke or heart attack. No confirmations have come from doctors or the hospital.
No one reported hearing "Aw C'mon Gallagher!" as he was wheeled away.
Marc Maron tweeted: "I heard about Gallagher. I hope he is all right"
Thursday, March 10, 2011
Steven Wright Joins Twitter.
Steven Wright, the master of one-liners, is now on twitter. The 140 character limit is a good test of someone's ability to whittle the elements of a joke down to the tightest form. And if a good one-liner is like a molecule of funny, Wright is the Enrico Fermi of jokes.
But the master of the short joke has been telling a story for about a week, with a series of to-be-continued tweets including one (so far) that is goes beyond 140 characters. He's being surreal and unpredictable as usual.
But the master of the short joke has been telling a story for about a week, with a series of to-be-continued tweets including one (so far) that is goes beyond 140 characters. He's being surreal and unpredictable as usual.
Comedy Central: "Give It Up for Greg Giraldo" to Air March 18
Comedy Central has announced "Give It Up for Greg Giraldo," a tribute that will feature "never-before-aired, behind-the-scenes footage and interviews with the late comedian himself." Also featured will be interviews with several guests, including Jon Stewart, Conan O’Brien, Dave Attell, Sarah Silverman, Colin Quinn and more. The special airs March 18 at 11:30PM ET/PT.
Giraldo, who died last September of a drug overdose, was an important part of Comedy Central's voice, doing stand-up specials, appearing on panel programs, killing at roasts, and providing much of the most reliably intelligent and funny comedy on the network. His death was deeply felt in the comedy community.
Giraldo's absence was noted more than once at the very recently filmed Roast of Donald Trump. Before the event, his writing partner and friend Jesse Joyce reportedly had a joke so "evil" that he believed only Giraldo could have made it work.
Giraldo, who died last September of a drug overdose, was an important part of Comedy Central's voice, doing stand-up specials, appearing on panel programs, killing at roasts, and providing much of the most reliably intelligent and funny comedy on the network. His death was deeply felt in the comedy community.
Giraldo's absence was noted more than once at the very recently filmed Roast of Donald Trump. Before the event, his writing partner and friend Jesse Joyce reportedly had a joke so "evil" that he believed only Giraldo could have made it work.
Tuesday, March 08, 2011
Mike DeStefano: "It's a Laugh That's Riddled With Shame."
Reflecting now on the work Cringe Humor did with Mike DeStefano, Patrick Milligan writes:
DeStefano did an interview with Cringe Humor in 2006. He says early in the conversation "One of the things that is important to me is to make comedy out of shit that's not funny already." It's a good mission they shared. And that's one of the best definitions of not being a hack.
The half-hour phone conversation is posted on YouTube.
You were the epitome of Cringe Humor. The definiton of this brand of entertainment that I have dedicated myself to.
I will never forget how honest you were.
DeStefano did an interview with Cringe Humor in 2006. He says early in the conversation "One of the things that is important to me is to make comedy out of shit that's not funny already." It's a good mission they shared. And that's one of the best definitions of not being a hack.
The half-hour phone conversation is posted on YouTube.
David Koechner's New Series Premieres on College Humor
David Koechner's new series “Always Open with David Koechner” is now open, with David Koechner. A series of short interview/interactions with what looks like a promising list of guests: Sarah Silverman, Will Forte, Amy Poehler, and more (watch the trailer). The first episode is out, and Jason Bateman joins in with his usual charm and amazing timing. Thank goodness Silver Spoons didn't break him.
Monday, March 07, 2011
Mike DeStefano Dies
(mikedestefano.com) |
We are indeed incredibly saddened by the loss of this amazing man. He had touched the lives of many with his unique brand of comedy and was looking forward to sharing the same with so many more. Mostly, we will all miss his huge heart and incredibly loving and selfless passion for people.
At Cringe Humor, Chris Italia writes
Mike had become a brother to us, the shock and the sadness that comes from this will be felt forever. Mike was the epitome of what Cringe Humor stands for. Always real. Always True. Always Funny. We’ll be updating the site with any information.
The bulk of DeStefano's fame came just last year after his exposure on Last Comic Standing. His act was dark, blunt, and hilarious. Much of his material came from his experience of dealing drug addiction, losing his wife, and living with HIV. He recently finished a successful run of his show Drugs, Disease and Death: A Comedy.
Alien Fudge Hits the Airwaves
Joff Thompson, whom I wrote about a while ago, shares the first episode of Alien Fudge, broadcast on BBC Radio Oxford.
It's a nice mix of short pieces of radio theatre. Some good low-key absurdist bits. I hope to hear a lot more.
How great is it that the radio broadcast radius is no longer a barrier to hearing the programming? I think this internet thing has a future.
Link to Part 2 of 3
Link to Part 3 of 3
It's a nice mix of short pieces of radio theatre. Some good low-key absurdist bits. I hope to hear a lot more.
How great is it that the radio broadcast radius is no longer a barrier to hearing the programming? I think this internet thing has a future.
Link to Part 2 of 3
Link to Part 3 of 3
Saturday, March 05, 2011
MC Mr Napkins: The Trouble with Bees.
MC Mr. Napkins, known to his cousins as Zach Sherwin, released The Album last November, eliciting critical acclaim for his rap-style music-songs. (Available on iTunes)
He's gaining a lot of good attention lately, and the college circuit seems to be treating him well. A little over a week ago I caught his show at a small college halfway between Chicago and Indianapolis: right at the center of nowhere. The tiny Catholic school of maybe a thousand students struggled to eke together an audience for the remote ballroom on the edge of campus. But when Sherwin hopped up on stage, he showed not only full enthusiasm and dedication to doing a good show, but an added specific interest in the people who came.
And he did hop. He's got the energy to show commitment and confidence. He's goofy with skills. Animated but calm. There's a meek aggression in his material. He's created a character that is at one point scared by a stinging bee, and at another, driven to a violent madness by a spelling bee. He's self-deprecating with the assurance that it works for him. And that translates well both on stage and off.
It takes a tiny bit of nudging to get him to admit that he's a musician. When asked about his musical background he says he had none, then he deflects the question by telling me that the music tracks are all layed down by Upryz (or as his cousins call him, Dan Fox). But when pushed to acknowledge that his rapping is a musical ability, Sherwin admits having taken some mediocre guitar lessons: "He just showed me the shape of the blues scale then said, 'Now play a solo.'" And he adds "But I guess I've just always loved hip-hop." He obviously respects the form and does good job pushing a lot of internal rhyme, consonance, off-rhyme, slant rhyme, and other free rhyme types combined with lots of ambitious syncopation.
In his interview with Lucas Lewis of Punchline Magazine (link above), he explains
From what I know about Zach Napkins, I'm guessing he pronounced bonafides with the traditional 4 syllables. And if he reads this, even tho it's pretty obvious, I kinda hope he uses it someday in a rhyme with with "on a fetus."
Language play is a big part of his act, and it should be no surprise to learn that he's a good friend of Myq Kaplan, the two of them even collaborating on a "twofer" twitter-account/joke-structure/word-puzzle. Kaplan got his masters in Linguistics, and I can't help but wonder if he's the one that introduced Sherwin to the word "Antepenultimate." Linguists use that word all the time. That's just how we roll. Word-stress to your mother.
More than anything tho, the quality of Sherwin's comedy comes from the likelihood that if you listen to it repeatedly, you'll keep noticing something new. He puts a lot of comedy of different styles in there, so you can't predict what angle he'll attack from. Kinda like that bee.
Here's his video for Krav Maga. Directed by Jay Karas.
He's gaining a lot of good attention lately, and the college circuit seems to be treating him well. A little over a week ago I caught his show at a small college halfway between Chicago and Indianapolis: right at the center of nowhere. The tiny Catholic school of maybe a thousand students struggled to eke together an audience for the remote ballroom on the edge of campus. But when Sherwin hopped up on stage, he showed not only full enthusiasm and dedication to doing a good show, but an added specific interest in the people who came.
And he did hop. He's got the energy to show commitment and confidence. He's goofy with skills. Animated but calm. There's a meek aggression in his material. He's created a character that is at one point scared by a stinging bee, and at another, driven to a violent madness by a spelling bee. He's self-deprecating with the assurance that it works for him. And that translates well both on stage and off.
It takes a tiny bit of nudging to get him to admit that he's a musician. When asked about his musical background he says he had none, then he deflects the question by telling me that the music tracks are all layed down by Upryz (or as his cousins call him, Dan Fox). But when pushed to acknowledge that his rapping is a musical ability, Sherwin admits having taken some mediocre guitar lessons: "He just showed me the shape of the blues scale then said, 'Now play a solo.'" And he adds "But I guess I've just always loved hip-hop." He obviously respects the form and does good job pushing a lot of internal rhyme, consonance, off-rhyme, slant rhyme, and other free rhyme types combined with lots of ambitious syncopation.
In his interview with Lucas Lewis of Punchline Magazine (link above), he explains
You can take on weird topics and my hope is that the flow and rhyme schemes will be really rewarding to listen to and will establish, I hope, my bonafides as not just a guy who figured out how to do like, “buh-buh-buh, cat / buh-buh-buh, hat” — and then wrote songs about dicks.
From what I know about Zach Napkins, I'm guessing he pronounced bonafides with the traditional 4 syllables. And if he reads this, even tho it's pretty obvious, I kinda hope he uses it someday in a rhyme with with "on a fetus."
Language play is a big part of his act, and it should be no surprise to learn that he's a good friend of Myq Kaplan, the two of them even collaborating on a "twofer" twitter-account/joke-structure/word-puzzle. Kaplan got his masters in Linguistics, and I can't help but wonder if he's the one that introduced Sherwin to the word "Antepenultimate." Linguists use that word all the time. That's just how we roll. Word-stress to your mother.
More than anything tho, the quality of Sherwin's comedy comes from the likelihood that if you listen to it repeatedly, you'll keep noticing something new. He puts a lot of comedy of different styles in there, so you can't predict what angle he'll attack from. Kinda like that bee.
Here's his video for Krav Maga. Directed by Jay Karas.
Bob Saget Live at Seminole Hard Rock in Tampa
Hey Florida friends, Bob Saget's gonna be at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Tampa, Sunday March 13. The show starts at 8PM, but you can get in at 7.*
Saget's well past the stage where people who see his act are surprised that he says dirty words. To a lot of people, he's still the guy that was on that show, but his audiences all pretty much expect him to swear and tell filthy stories and be the type of comic that doesn't belong on ABC Family.
If you want to see the depths of his depravity, go rent The Aristocrats. If you don't know the joke, google it first, then decide if you can put up with an hour and a half of "that." If you decide you're into it, Saget's contribution won't disappoint. And to hear one of my favorite stories about him, listen to the commentary track with Paul Provenza and Penn Jillette.
Of the three Comedy Central Roasts currently available on Netflix instant, Saget's is probably the best. He's a very good sport about it, and the jokes push all sorts of boundaries. The best set of the roast is Norm MacDonald's, and in my mind, Saget earns a lot of points for being one of the few people who apparently genuinely enjoyed it from the start.
Tickets for the Tampa show are $40 for general admission (plus a fee, you know… for the sake of convenience) and are available from Ticketmaster. No one under 18 allowed. Saget can't be trusted with them.
*Having trouble reading the small print on the poster? Well here's the important stuff:
…but maybe not until after the show.
Saget's well past the stage where people who see his act are surprised that he says dirty words. To a lot of people, he's still the guy that was on that show, but his audiences all pretty much expect him to swear and tell filthy stories and be the type of comic that doesn't belong on ABC Family.
If you want to see the depths of his depravity, go rent The Aristocrats. If you don't know the joke, google it first, then decide if you can put up with an hour and a half of "that." If you decide you're into it, Saget's contribution won't disappoint. And to hear one of my favorite stories about him, listen to the commentary track with Paul Provenza and Penn Jillette.
Of the three Comedy Central Roasts currently available on Netflix instant, Saget's is probably the best. He's a very good sport about it, and the jokes push all sorts of boundaries. The best set of the roast is Norm MacDonald's, and in my mind, Saget earns a lot of points for being one of the few people who apparently genuinely enjoyed it from the start.
Tickets for the Tampa show are $40 for general admission (plus a fee, you know… for the sake of convenience) and are available from Ticketmaster. No one under 18 allowed. Saget can't be trusted with them.
*Having trouble reading the small print on the poster? Well here's the important stuff:
Player’s Club Members who have been banned by the Seminole Tribe of Florida or opted into the self-exclusion program are prohibited from attending.
If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, please call 1.888.ADMIT.IT.
…but maybe not until after the show.
Wednesday, March 02, 2011
Craig Ferguson Swears Off Sheen Jokes
I worked hard to avoid watching any coverage of the OJ trial. I know. That's a timely reference. And I haven't worked that hard to avoid any media blitz since then, until the last week or so. Now I'm avoiding the Charlie Sheen thing. So far, I only know that he does a lot of drugs and porn stars (or strippers or hookers). And I guess "winning" is important. I've seen that word all over the place. But that's it. I don't know what "winning" means. I haven't heard or read or seen the quote.
And it's not because Sheen deserves a break. It's not out of respect for him. It's not out of a moral stance. It's not because I'm above that. I'm really not. Instead of watching Charlie Sheen interviews, I'm watching Netflix and Hulu and trying to come up with one-liners for one of my three Twitter accounts. I'm not above anything.
The whole story just looks really boring. Repetitive. Contrived. Irrelevant. It wouldn't be funny. It wouldn't be entertaining. It would feel like wasted of time. So I avoid it. I feel exactly about the story as I do about his sitcom. Except that he gets paid millions to do his sitcom, so I believe that's a far greater sin.
I don't watch Craig Ferguson regularly, but a friend recently mentioned his statement about choosing not to ogle at Sheen's meltdown. I respect Ferguson's take on this because I believe he's avoiding the jokes out of a certain integrity that he has expressed before, regarding Britney Spears' meltdown. He wants his comedy to help. To take-down the powerful. To drill at real problems that affect everyone. To make useful statements.
And as respectable as all that is: what I respect most about his embargo is that he's emptying his quiver of an exploding-tip arrow. That doesn't make him a good marksman (not while he's using those hand-puppets to open the show) but it is a move in the right direction.
But I don't feel sorry for Sheen. He's a big boy and he's going after what he wants right now. And he's getting it. Easily. In large amounts.
Some people might want to argue that he's not really happy. Like that means anything. Is this sustainable? Nothing is. Is he going to burn out? Everyone does. Will he make it to heaven? Only Oprah knows.
And it's not because Sheen deserves a break. It's not out of respect for him. It's not out of a moral stance. It's not because I'm above that. I'm really not. Instead of watching Charlie Sheen interviews, I'm watching Netflix and Hulu and trying to come up with one-liners for one of my three Twitter accounts. I'm not above anything.
The whole story just looks really boring. Repetitive. Contrived. Irrelevant. It wouldn't be funny. It wouldn't be entertaining. It would feel like wasted of time. So I avoid it. I feel exactly about the story as I do about his sitcom. Except that he gets paid millions to do his sitcom, so I believe that's a far greater sin.
I don't watch Craig Ferguson regularly, but a friend recently mentioned his statement about choosing not to ogle at Sheen's meltdown. I respect Ferguson's take on this because I believe he's avoiding the jokes out of a certain integrity that he has expressed before, regarding Britney Spears' meltdown. He wants his comedy to help. To take-down the powerful. To drill at real problems that affect everyone. To make useful statements.
And as respectable as all that is: what I respect most about his embargo is that he's emptying his quiver of an exploding-tip arrow. That doesn't make him a good marksman (not while he's using those hand-puppets to open the show) but it is a move in the right direction.
But I don't feel sorry for Sheen. He's a big boy and he's going after what he wants right now. And he's getting it. Easily. In large amounts.
Some people might want to argue that he's not really happy. Like that means anything. Is this sustainable? Nothing is. Is he going to burn out? Everyone does. Will he make it to heaven? Only Oprah knows.
Monday, February 28, 2011
Kyle Cease Wants to Give You a Ring
Kyle Cease broke up with his fiancee, and now he's giving away her diamond ring. Why? Who cares? He says it's worth 10K.
Here's how it works: Watch the first video of his stand up. You'll see what he means about "the worst way" to leave Catalina Island. Then in the comments, make your own suggestion about the worst way. If you get the most comments saying they vote for you, the ring is all yours.
[I made a suggestion, so look for ThirdGuyDucks' comment and vote for me! Unless you have your own suggestion to make.]
Go to page to comment.
Here's a link to the video announcing the contest.
Here's a link to a video in which he updates the rules and explains the new voting system.
Here's how it works: Watch the first video of his stand up. You'll see what he means about "the worst way" to leave Catalina Island. Then in the comments, make your own suggestion about the worst way. If you get the most comments saying they vote for you, the ring is all yours.
[I made a suggestion, so look for ThirdGuyDucks' comment and vote for me! Unless you have your own suggestion to make.]
Go to page to comment.
Here's a link to the video announcing the contest.
Here's a link to a video in which he updates the rules and explains the new voting system.
Kyle Kinane on Ruining the Medieval Times Experience
Kyle Kinane is a storytelling comedian. But he doesn't sacrifice anything for it. In the balance between storytelling and joke telling, the typical performer leans either towards development, setting and character, or the number of laughs and the strength of the payoff. Some raconteurs, like Kinane, know how to crank up all at the same time.
He was included in a "Best of 2011" Comedy Central Presents special, and was given Episode 10 of Season 15 all to himself. It's a good one. But maybe I'm biased, because I have a special place in my heart for balding guys with big beards. My wife is fine with this, because she does too.
He was included in a "Best of 2011" Comedy Central Presents special, and was given Episode 10 of Season 15 all to himself. It's a good one. But maybe I'm biased, because I have a special place in my heart for balding guys with big beards. My wife is fine with this, because she does too.
Thursday, February 17, 2011
3rd Rock from the Sun on Netflix Streaming
When 3rd Rock from the Sun first came out, John Lithgow disagreed with critics who said that the aliens-on-earth premise was too narrow and would wear thin. He argued it was wide open. That a show about humans as a foreign species was really a show about everything. The show was a success, running for 6 seasons and earning dozens of awards for the creators and the performers.
If you care to, you can watch all 6 seasons streaming on Netflix.
Even if you want to complain that it's just a recycled version of Mork & Mindy, (subtract the improv savant; add the veteran of classical theatre) the show held up with a consistent absurdity and more Dick jokes than any other show on network television. It's easy when your main character takes that name. Here are a few of the titles of episodes from the 1st season:
But as is true of many shows, you won't see these titles on the screen. I wonder why.
If you care to, you can watch all 6 seasons streaming on Netflix.
Even if you want to complain that it's just a recycled version of Mork & Mindy, (subtract the improv savant; add the veteran of classical theatre) the show held up with a consistent absurdity and more Dick jokes than any other show on network television. It's easy when your main character takes that name. Here are a few of the titles of episodes from the 1st season:
- Post-Nasal Dick
- Dick, Smoker
- Body & Soul & Dick
- Frozen Dick
- The Dicks, They Are a Changin'
- Assault with a Deadly Dick
- Father Knows Dick
But as is true of many shows, you won't see these titles on the screen. I wonder why.
Friday, February 04, 2011
Chris Elliott's Eagleheart debuts on Adult Swim
Chris Elliot deserves none of the inattention that some people have given him. Ick… hat's a horrible compliment. What I should say, and what is true, is that Elliott has made me laugh in everything he's done, no matter how weird it was. His writing and performing on Letterman, his sitcom Get a Life, his movie Cabin Boy, his recurring character on Everybody Loves Raymond, his season on SNL, his small but crucial role in There's Something About Mary… always weird. Always funny.
And his new weird project is Eagleheart, Adult Swim's new 'shorts' series on Cartoon Network. In it, Elliot plays Chris Monsanto, a Marshall who is driven partly by his need to avenge each of his dead partners, and partly by his desire "to punch people so hard that they explode."
Elliott is flanked by Maria Thayer and Brett Gelman, who play his partners. Why two partners? So it doesn't hurt him as much when one of them dies. At least that's the argument offered by Chief, played by Michael Gladis (you'll know him from Mad Men).
The characters are not believable. The plots are simple and contrived. They humor is ridiculous and the violence is graphic. It's wonderful. Really.
Watch it Thursdays at midnight. (So 'technically' Friday, but nobody really thinks that way. It's "Thursday night" for normal people.)
And his new weird project is Eagleheart, Adult Swim's new 'shorts' series on Cartoon Network. In it, Elliot plays Chris Monsanto, a Marshall who is driven partly by his need to avenge each of his dead partners, and partly by his desire "to punch people so hard that they explode."
Elliott is flanked by Maria Thayer and Brett Gelman, who play his partners. Why two partners? So it doesn't hurt him as much when one of them dies. At least that's the argument offered by Chief, played by Michael Gladis (you'll know him from Mad Men).
The characters are not believable. The plots are simple and contrived. They humor is ridiculous and the violence is graphic. It's wonderful. Really.
Watch it Thursdays at midnight. (So 'technically' Friday, but nobody really thinks that way. It's "Thursday night" for normal people.)
Monday, January 31, 2011
"I Was Gonna Save the World" - Gallagher on WTF
I have 30 years of experience, and you think I don't know what the hell I'm talking about!After listening to the Gallagher interview on WTF with Marc Maron, I must say I heard more of a resigned abandonment than a storming-off.
More 'This is dumb,' than 'Well—I—Never!'
And I disagree with Gallagher. It wasn't dumb. Maron deserved a response to his questions, and the harshest part of the interview was already over. Here's where I thought Gallagher was going to leave:
Gallagher: You can't tell a lesbian joke in Boston, Minneapolis, Portland, and Seattle.
Maron: Why?
Gallagher: 'Cause they'll boo you.
Maron: Because… why?
Gallagher: Their politics is different.
Maron: Their politics? Or their sensitivity to people who are a specific group of people that are being made fun of at the brunt of a joke to release the aggression of narrow-minded people as some form of entertainment, is offensive to them. That's why. So my question is: If by releasing aggression in an audience is by saying like "The Arabs stink. They're all evil" or… "Gays are fucked," and that releases aggression, how is it not just reaffirming fucking prejudice and intolerance in that group of people?
Gallagher: You think I have the power, by telling a joke, to rally people—
Maron: —to laugh.
Gallagher: —around—
Maron: —to laugh. You rally people to laugh at what? Because they identify with your prejudice. That's why they're laughing. "I get that. I hate fags too." Is that releasing aggression in a healthy way?
Gallagher: (pause) Hate—
Maron: Sure.
Gallagher: There's not hate involved here. We're telling jokes.
Maron: O, there's a lot of hate in jokes. Come on…
Gallagher rolls with this challenge and claims not to hate or wish to oppress any group. Maron's claim—that Gallagher is reaffirming intolerance—starts to merge with his broader challenge that the humor isn't helping society's problems.
Because, of course, we know that comedy is all about problem solving.
But that's a fair push. It's fair of Maron to pursue it. And at this point in the interview, the tone starts to calm down. They even go on to chuckle a few times. Yeah, Gallagher probably should admit that his comedy isn't fixing things. I have no problem (as if that matters) with Maron hoping his own comedy heals and doesn't just distract. His humor has always had more the sting of antiseptic than the ease of anaesthetic. But that's why I wasn't sure what precise point he was making when he asked about Gallagher's act
What if it hurts people's feelings? And…what if people see it as as isolating and vicious? Does that bother you?
The strength of Maron's act has always been that even if he cares that he hurts people, he keeps going with it. Because people—even when they're in groups—can handle being ridiculed. But is he going to insist that unless you're trying to help, an act that "hurts" is contributing to intolerance? Maron doesn't give much space when Gallagher claims that he's showing society its hangups.
And that's because when you try to talk about the moral responsibility of comedy, you either have to draw some completely arbitrary lines; or you start a horrible discussion of aesthetics; or you have to admit that there is no morality as long as you're OK with who your audience is.
In this interview, Gallagher comes across a comic that thinks he has a lot to teach. He doesn't value the trend away from histrionic comedy. He believes every comic should want to sell out State Fairs. He believes even the greatest comedians who focus their material on their own fears and problems are doing it wrong. He sees himself as a blend between historian and mentor. And he's sad that his audience is literally dying. The thing that drives him away from the interview is that he doesn't realize that Maron is already important, and doesn't need a teacher, teaching those things. Right before he gives up, Gallagher complains "Why did you want me to do this interview if you don't think I dont know anything about what you're asking me about."* I can't imagine he would ask that if he understood how well WTF has done, and will continue to do, without him.
WTF on iTunes
WTF on Libsyn
* It's important to keep in mind how this all started. Maron explains in his weekly email update: "My manager got a call from a guy who said he was Gallagher’s manager. He wanted to know if Gallagher could do a spot on my show and maybe do the podcast."
Thursday, January 27, 2011
Run, Gallagher Run: Maron Loses his First Guest Mid-interview
This just in: Halfway thru being interviewed by Marc Maron earlier today, Gallagher threw a tantrum and ditched the room. Here's how it went down according to Maron's recent tweets. In the order Maron posted:
@lowmoralfiber asks: "Did you feel physically threatened?"
@smassing asks: "First guest to walk out on you?"
@SonicReducer09 asks: "were you really being that hard on him?"
And it looks like we'll get to hear the buildup.
Anyone who follows Marc Maron or listens to WTF knows that he readily admits to occasionally being aggressive and confrontational. But not really in his WTF interviews. There he just has honest and revealing conversations with comedians just begging to be understood and loved. There are tense moments, sure, but Gallagher is apparently the first to shut down walk away.
And don't worry; Maron assures us that the mic was not harmed.
- Looks like I'm going to interview Gallagher today. WTF. (9:34 AM PST)
- Going to find Gallagher. Talk later. I hope[....] (10:41 AM PST)
- Gallagher just threw the mic down and stormed out of my hotel room. (11:33 AM PST)
- I got about a half hour. Very defensive. I guess if you call bullshit on him there is no debate. He just storms off like a child. (11:36 AM PST)
- I was being very diplomatic but I guess its either his way or[....]he throws the mic down and storms off. (11:37 AM PST)
- I wouldn't put it past Gallagher to come and heckle me tnite. He was pissed. Doesn't like comics who talk about themselves. (11:41 AM PST)
- I knew what I was getting into. He snapped when I disagreed with his assessment of good and bad comedy. Not politics. (12:02 PM PST)
@lowmoralfiber asks: "Did you feel physically threatened?"
- Not at all. I was sad he left. It was just getting good.
@smassing asks: "First guest to walk out on you?"
- Yes.
@SonicReducer09 asks: "were you really being that hard on him?"
- No, I was trying to logically understand where he was coming from. My bad.
And it looks like we'll get to hear the buildup.
- I plan to air the half hour. No reason not to if the sound is good.
Anyone who follows Marc Maron or listens to WTF knows that he readily admits to occasionally being aggressive and confrontational. But not really in his WTF interviews. There he just has honest and revealing conversations with comedians just begging to be understood and loved. There are tense moments, sure, but Gallagher is apparently the first to shut down walk away.
And don't worry; Maron assures us that the mic was not harmed.
Comedy Central Keeps Presenting
A reminder and update: The Netflix stash of Comedy Central Presents is growing. They're not yet posting the 2010 season, but they are pretty much caught up to the 2009 season, which is about 24 more episodes since I last counted a few months ago.
Daniel asks where he can watch or get the first two new episodes. The Tom Segura and Michael Kosta episodes are available for $2.99 each on iTunes. For $34.99 you can buy all of season 15. Or you can get the whole series for only $477.60.
And there's a free season 15 "Sneak Peek" that I haven't seen yet, on iTunes. I'll update once I've taken a look at it.
[UPDATE]
And of course, it's exactly what you'd expect. Short clips that sell a few pretty successful bits. None of these names should be new to you, but here's a list of the sampled acts just in case there are a few in here you haven't seen and would like to take a quick look at:
Michael Kosta
Chelsea Peretti
Chris D'Elia
Sheng Wang
Tom Segura
Matt Fulchiron
Hari Kondabolu
Al Jackson
Jay Larson
Kyle Kinane
Jessi Klein
Louis Katz
Nate Bargatze
Natasha Leggero
Mike Vecchione
Jack Whitehall
Daniel asks where he can watch or get the first two new episodes. The Tom Segura and Michael Kosta episodes are available for $2.99 each on iTunes. For $34.99 you can buy all of season 15. Or you can get the whole series for only $477.60.
And there's a free season 15 "Sneak Peek" that I haven't seen yet, on iTunes. I'll update once I've taken a look at it.
[UPDATE]
And of course, it's exactly what you'd expect. Short clips that sell a few pretty successful bits. None of these names should be new to you, but here's a list of the sampled acts just in case there are a few in here you haven't seen and would like to take a quick look at:
Michael Kosta
Chelsea Peretti
Chris D'Elia
Sheng Wang
Tom Segura
Matt Fulchiron
Hari Kondabolu
Al Jackson
Jay Larson
Kyle Kinane
Jessi Klein
Louis Katz
Nate Bargatze
Natasha Leggero
Mike Vecchione
Jack Whitehall
Wednesday, January 26, 2011
Comedy Central's Stand-Up Showdown
Tomorrow (Thursday) at noon, the voting closes for Comedy Central's Stand-Up Showdown. I've been tempted to write about this all month, but something kept telling me it wasn't important. "Why isn't it," you ask?
Well how about the fact that Jeff Dunham finished 1st in 2008 and 2nd in 2009?
But it's not a useless campaign. The top twenty placers are a pretty good mix of styles. And it's not only the current sweethearts and trending comics that get all the attention. There are a lot of consistent performers on there. But ultimately, yeah, it's popularity contest. As most of these contests are.
But it's a good way to get a look at influential and rising comedians. A bunch of them stacked together and put up on a single page for you to watch.
In related news: January has been stand-up comedy month on Comedy Central. Which means they've been showing almost enough stand-up comedy.
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